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Some Grinder Building Pointers

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Ed Caffrey
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Often I hear/read of newer knifemaker who are excited about saving some money by building their own grinder. I always try to be as kind as possible, but after thinking on this subject for some time, I have some very pointed advice for anyone who has it in their mind to save a bunch of money by building their own grinder.....that being if you do not possess the skills to make modification, nor understand how a belt grinder operates, you're going to be money ahead, to just purchase one of the top end grinders on the market. I'm partial to the KMG, but any of the top end machines on the market are worth every penny you pay for them.

OK, that being said, this thread is all about those who choose to build their own grinder(s), and how to make it the best it can be. Personally, I chose the EERF plans that are free out there on the net. To have the parts waterjet from 1/2 mild steel runs around $200 per grinder. You'll spend another few hundred for a motor, controller (if you choose variable speed), drive and tracking wheels, and any attachments you choose.

This grinder is very simple, but I feel there are some MUST HAVE modifications that must be made for it to reach it's full potential.

First and foremost is the belt tensioning setup. The plans call for a tension spring, mounted to the rear of the idler arm, and fixed to the rear of the frame.....forgive me, but that is simply a "hob-knob" way of doing it....and it doesn't work worth a darn. The number one mod to make to this grinder is set it up with a compression spring tensioning system.

The way I do this is to located the idler arm center on top of the attachment receiver, and then drill/tap a 3/8-16 hole. I thread a small length of 3/8" all thread, and lock it in place with a jam nut (making sure the threads DO NOT protrude to the interor of the attachment receiver)

The spring seat, I turn out on the lathe, from a 1" piece of mild steel, then bore/tap it with 3/8-16 threads. this allows for up/down adjustment of the spring. The spring itself is something I purchased at the local Ace Hardeware store.

Next, I turned out a "spring keeper" from the same 1" mild steel, and drilled/tapped the bottom of the idler arm...then mounted it with a 10-24 socket head screw.

Another issue that is easily fixed on these machines is the lateral movement in the idler arm if it's mount with just a nut/bolt arrangment. Adding a 1/2" fender washer to each side might look a little goofy, but it will take nearly all of the lateral play out of the idler arm. Always use a "Ny-loc" nut on this bolt...you can ajdust it to achieve just the right combination of free movement and rigididty.

Finally, the last mod that I feel is a requirement on these machines, it to ensure you get the correct spacer on the tracking wheel. This can be tricky because how deep you mount the drive wheel, and the location of the attachment's center come into play....the trick is to measure/find dead center between the drive wheel and attachment(s), and then make this spacer the correct thickness to center the tracking wheel with the drive wheel and the attachment(s). On this machine, it requred that I grind the 1/2-13 nute to 3/8" thick to achieve the correct spacing.

All of this takes some thought, work, and time, but doing it can make a grinder "kit" that can rival one of the top end commercially available machines.

Cost wise, in the end, it ends up being SLIGHTLY less expensive then purchasing one of the top end grinders outright, but if you don't have the skills, or the knowledge to make these mods.....go buy....rather then build!

The VFD arrived this morning, and I now have the grinder fully operational.....here's a quick video I took with my Iphone to show how smoothly it runs.

[media] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs7QHbHSzR0 [/media]

Ed Caffrey, ABS MS
"The Montana Bladesmith"
www.CaffreyKnives.net

 
Posted : 23/08/2013 4:49 pm
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Thanks for the write up Ed, I am going to go out and modify mine straight away.

I was one of those new knife makers who wanted to save money - and being possessed of an over abundance of 'Do It Yourselfness' I forged ahead.

I am happy to report that I saved about $150 right off the bat. Money that has rapidly been soaked away by time spent fiddling around with the grinder rather than using the grinder to make knives.

 
Posted : 24/08/2013 6:21 am
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Good post!! What I have is actually something from TrickTools.com... it's a belt sander, that is made to attach to a grinder. Very useful!! Makes for an awesome convex, flat platen, and hollow grinding machine. But that's awesome how you made that...I'll have to give it a shot!! (..you can never have too many belt sanders ;-D )

- joseph

beckerforged.com

 
Posted : 24/08/2013 6:29 am
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Thanks for this post Ed.

I did make my own grinder, or rather got a machinist friend of mine to make it and it turned out well and very tight. I got the plans from Don Fogg's website. There are some design elements I would do differently though if I had it to do over again. I will eventually make some modifications. Thanks for posting these.

I do like the idea of having a homemade machine though. I feel like I can modify it to fit my needs. You just don't know what you really need/want until you have done a some grinding on a machine or two (be it your own or someone else's).

Since I have never used a machine that wasn't my own it is sometimes hard to pinpoint what I may or may not need. Of course there is always the buy everything that applies approach (which I don't favor). I am a tinkerer and always have been I think that is what draws a lot of us to knifemaking.

There is always the thought in the back of most of our minds that "I can make that only better" even if sometimes we can't LOL.

 
Posted : 26/08/2013 10:18 pm
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