Hello. I have used rutland black and it seemed to work well. I put it on thin,let it set over night to harden. Hope this helps.

I also use rutlands black and I thin it slightly to be more like japanese clay.

You can leave it out to dry or some people put it right in the furnace and it bubbles up but stays on and still acts as a time delay in the quench.

Thanks guys <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmith.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//smile.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Im sure I can find an analogue in Norway <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmith.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//smile.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Would have been easier if ya'll used basic clay with charcoal in - but hell; it cant all be straight forward!

I get the point of using things like satanite and furnace cement. So much to learn. So much to try <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmith.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//smile.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

I have used clay with charcoal an some borax in it.

It has to dry well but it works fine.

As long as it sticks for just a second in the quench it does its job.

Some people use antiscale also.

Hello Erik. I have used furnace cement and it does work just fine. I prefer satanite myself. The key point with satanite is to make sure it is dry before quenching.

Brion

Satanite - Refractories West, Pueblo, Colorado

I have read the posts on creating an outstanding Hamon on a blade by Master Smiths John White, Shawn Mc Intryre, and Brion Tomberlin and all recommend using Satanite as part of the process. But where do you order it from? You know how it is. You hear about a product or a tool and then try to find where you can get it from. I asked Brion and was pleasantly surprised to find that you can purchase Satanite from Refractories-West, Inc located in Pueblo, Colorado. Sally and I were in Colorado Springs recently so we drove north to Pueblo and I visited their very large facility. I purchased a 50 pound bag of Satanite for $55. plus tax. The staff was very helpful and knowlegeable and they have a very large inventory of other products that our members might be interested in.

In addition to maintaining a large inventory of refractory brick, castables, plastics, insulation materials, mortars and anchors they also operate a very experienced cast shop at their Pueblo facility which can fabricate refractory shapes and reline furnaces, combustion chambers etc. Shapes as small as a few pounds to over 20 ton monolithic linings have been completed in their shop.

Their website is http://refwest.com/index.html and their address is 33163 Braniff Avenue, Pueblo, Colorado 81001 with telephone 719-544-9043.

Thank you Dan! That is the place. They are very helpful on the phone too.

Brion

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