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Some Of My Quench Research And Testing.

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Kevin R. Cashen
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Although I am very careful to protect the privacy of my clients for whom I do consulting and testing, this research has so much educational value that I asked for permission to share some of the results with my knifemaking friends. I am currently involved in a project to help a quenchant manufacturer (not Parks or Houghton) develop some oils to specifically meet the demands of certain steels. The first goal is a very fast oil that will work for shallow hardening steels, so I am testing with a fast oil control.

Below you will see results from one of the first prototype formulations, starting at lower speeds, on 1095. 1095 is one of the toughest to thoroughly harden so I thought it would be a good challenge. The samples where ground from the same bar of steel, austenitized side by side with direct thermocouple monitoring in salts, and quenched side by side in identical quantities of oils and agitation, surrounded by a 125F bath to assure temperature. The results were then cross sectioned and roughly polished for metallographic examination (so please overlook the scratches). Micrographs were actually taken at 1mm increments from the edge but I only took a sampling to put this image on the web. After this the samples were then tested for Rockwell hardness at roughly 3mm increments.

The light background is martensite (the good hard stuff we want), the dark stuff, making it look like blue cheese, is fine pearlite (the soft stuff that quenching is supposed to avoid). Please be aware that at the edge both of these samples would have skated a file just fine, would have flexed over a brass rod all you want, and would even have cut a few 2x4” with little problem. But every little black patch represents a percentage of overall loss in strength, and long term edge retention.

Do be aware that that prototype oil would probably have held its own against many medium speed oils and was made by guys who’s business it is to make oils specifically for quenching and know what they are doing. This was a good oil but was still a first step in moving from medium to the fast speed, with a few adjustments that were yet needed to reach the goal, and many more tests in that process. But the speed factor is just one area among many to account for, long term stability, vapor points, interaction with the surface finish etc…

The real point of this post is that making a real quench oil isn’t all that simple and testing it is even less so, believe it or not these are just rough preliminary tests and not all that exhaustive. I hope this gives somewhat of an insight as to my perspective when I express my doubts about some of the homemade and improvised quenchants some folks feel work “just fine”, and I hope it gives food for thought to those who feel carefully considered quenchants are unnecessary.

"One test is worth 1000 'expert' opinions" Riehle Testing Machines Co.

 
Posted : 23/09/2010 1:59 pm
BrionTomberlin
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Kevin, great post. Thank you for doing this. I really like the photos showing the difference in rockwell and the pearlite martensite mix, between the two quenches,everything else being equal. I would not have thought that there would be that much difference, wow. Just as you have said the right quenchant for the type of steel makes a world of difference. Thanks again.

Brion

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Posted : 23/09/2010 9:52 pm
Admin_DJC305
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Kevin:

Thank you for sharing your research with us. The information that you provide on heat treating is very useful if not essential to all of us.

I am sure that many of our members want to ask why you used 1095 as the steel in your research. My notes from your recent lecture on Heat Treating at the ABS Mid America Hammer-In in Troy, Ohio reveals the answer but Your explanation on the ABS Forum would be more valuable for all to read.

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Posted : 23/09/2010 10:01 pm
Kevin R. Cashen
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Kevin:

Thank you for sharing your research with us. The information that you provide on heat treating is very useful if not essential to all of us.

I am sure that many of our members want to ask why you used 1095 as the steel in your research. My notes from your recent lecture on Heat Treating at the ABS Mid America Hammer-In in Troy, Ohio reveals the answer but Your explanation on the ABS Forum would be more valuable for all to read.

For me 1095 is the logical choice since it the shallowest hardening of the steels we most commonly work with, thus requiring the fastest quenches, so if you can nail a cool cooling rate for 1095 it will almost certainly work very well for 1075, 1080, 1084, W1, or W2. 1095 also has some very nice characteristics for showing off structures under the microscope and thus making a very easy to see difference in the heat treat results.

"One test is worth 1000 'expert' opinions" Riehle Testing Machines Co.

 
Posted : 24/09/2010 8:15 am
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Thanks for sharing this Kevin. The information that you share backed by test results from your equipment is very beneficial.

As the old saying goes -- A picture is worth a thousand words -- and the pictures tell a lot.

Brian

 
Posted : 26/09/2010 8:12 pm
Steve Randall
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Kevin Thanks for all the great information on this subject it is a great help understanding this complicated subject. Being a new knife maker I find this subject very interesting just the learning curve keeps getting steeper the more I learn. You do have a way of making it a little easier to understand ...Thank Steve Randall

 
Posted : 30/09/2010 8:26 am
Lin Rhea
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It information like this that makes me glad Kevin is on our side. <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//smile.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Lin

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Posted : 30/09/2010 10:22 am
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