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Journeyman Smith Testing by Greg Neely, ABS Chairman

As you probably are aware, a bladesmith who joins the ABS must be a Regular member for three years before he or she is eligible to present knives to the judging panel at the annual Blade Show, with the anniversary based on the date of the annual ABS business meeting at the Blade Show. For example, if, as it was in my case, a member joins in November, the months from November to the end of May will be more or less excess time, as the year count will begin the following May or June, depending on the date of the show. Although your ABS membership must be renewed each January 1st, the time requirement runs from Blade Show to Blade Show.

Those who attend the Basic Bladesmithing Course are afforded a year’s discount, and are therefore eligible to submit knives for Journeyman in only two years. For this reason, it’s a good idea to hold on to that graduation certificate. In either case, bladesmiths may schedule and take the physical cutting and bending test one year prior to their eligibility date. Keep in mind, however, that this test is only good for a period of three years. Should the smith not receive his or her rating by this time, he or she must retest.

By the way, the original signed application form and the successfully bent blade must be presented with the bladesmith’s knives at the time of the judging review in Atlanta, so keep both in a safe place…and for heaven’s sake, don’t do anything to that bent blade after the test. Don’t straighten, grind, or otherwise alter that blade. Bring it just as it was after you completed the test.

Should the test be unsuccessful, the smith must wait six months before testing again, so it’s important to time the test early enough to allow a second test prior to the Blade Show, should things not go as planned the first time.

We are an educational entity and our responsibility is to inform and educate the public and preserve and perpetuate the art of the forged blade. The free flow of information encouraged by the ABS is our most visible characteristic, as well as the most paramount. Without this, we would cease to be who and what we are.

This has resulted in the constant “raising of the bar,” as it were in the quality and complexity of the forged knives being made today. This is a natural evolution, and is a good thing, to say the least. The integrity and the willingness of our members to follow this path is the most important single element and the core value which has improved the forged blade and brought it to today’s standard of excellence.

Testing is an important part of what we do. Occasionally, new rules and standards come about by ABS Board review, and I will try and list some of them here .

Some of the less-publicized rules, for example, have to do with the physical properties of the knives submitted for board review. At the Journeyman level, the following should be noted:

1. All knives submitted for review should be forged of carbon steel. NO DAMASCUS is allowed in blades or hardware for the Journeyman review.

2. No etched or “primitive” finishes are desired. You are being tested for your ability to satisfactorily finish the surfaces of your knives. Hand-rubbed or correctly buffed finishes are satisfactory.

3. No tomahawks, swords, war hammers, etc. may be submitted. Knives and only knives will be eligible for judging. It is not recommended that you submit sheaths with your knives, as they will be judged as an accessory to the knives if placed on the judging table.

4. Knives shall be of sole authorship; therefore, any engraving, bluing, or other embellishments must be your work. If this work is not at the same level as your knives, it could result in failure.

5. No folders are to be submitted at the Journeyman level. Carbon steel folders are normally not made of forged materials.

6. No more than two of any one style knife may be submitted. This means, for example, you may submit two Bowies, two hunters, etc. as part of your group of knives.

7. A total of five (5) knives are to be submitted to the judges. It’s highly recommended that you bring six knives to the show, on the theory that should you find one damaged in shipment or transport, you will still have five knives to submit for review. Don’t give in to the temptation to pass your knives around to your friends on the night prior to the judging…if one or more of them gets dropped, scuffed, stained, etc., you’re pretty much out of the running, unless you brought a portable shop with you.

8. Each of your knives should be stamped or etched with a logo or touchmark indicating that they are of your making. These marks should be neat and uniform.

9. Please don’t anticipate “wowing” the judges with something completely out of the ordinary. With the quality of the judges employed (Dean, Dunn, Keeslar, Fisk, etc.) it is highly doubtful that you will accomplish this. Your knives need not be ornate; they must be well-conceived and executed. The best bet is to stick with traditional or established designs…remember, this is only a test and a one-time requirement. You are free to carry on as you will, once the test is finished.

10. The by-word here is CLEAN! By that, I mean all of the lines should flow properly, blades should be straight, and your finishes should be as impeccable as you can make them. No tool marks, file marks, gaps, or excess solder should be in evidence. No filled and re-drilled pin holes, and your grind lines should be even and symmetrical. Pay particular attention to the “shoulders) where your blade flats join the ricasso. This is the first place the judges will look. Please – make your blades straight and make sure the guard, handle, etc. line up properly with the blade. Ovals should be symmetrical, and guards should be centered.

11. Materials – use the best materials you can. Plastic and polyester handle material might be good for a scuba knife of stainless steel, but I’d go with natural materials all the way for this test. Brass, nickel silver, and stainless guard materials are fine.

12. Sharpen your blades. All knives submitted should be fully sharpened and ready for use when submitted. Naturally, each knife should be properly heat treated, as well. No wall-hangers here.

So there’s a good start for aspiring Journeymen. By the way, many Journeymen are also award-winners. At the blade show, the Best Handmade awards are open to bladesmiths and knifemakers at all levels. Some awards are restricted by classification, such as the awards presented by the Antique Bowie Knife Association at the Blade Show. There are awards given to both Masters and Journeymen.

My point is that your potential isn’t limited to knife-related organizations, shows, or your rating, so good luck and get in there!

Greg Neely, ABS Chairman

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Posted : 02/01/2010 9:16 pm
BrionTomberlin
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I can think of another bit of advice to add for aspiring applicants. Before you submit your knives for testing, take them to a mastersmith or mastersmiths to have them look them over. This will let you know of any problem areas that you should address. Also do this long enough before the Blade show so that you have time to correct any issues. Preferrably have as many mastersmiths as possible look at them.

Brion Tomberlin

Anvil Top Custom Knives

ABS Mastersmith

 
Posted : 02/01/2010 11:17 pm
Kevin R. Cashen
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Brion, this is excellent advice and something many more applicants need to take advantage of. Not only does it help you present the best work for judging but it also prepares the applicant with the successful mindset, one that is open to constructive criticism and suggestions for improvement. The maker who goes to Atlanta convinced they have the best knives based solely upon their own assumptions may have a lower chance of ever getting a stamp due to hard feelings getting in the way of a successful attempt in subsequent years. The maker who is wide open to seeing the room for improvement that is always present in his own work will never stop growing and getting better.

Another good strategy is to bring six or seven of your best knives to Atlanta and show them to as many Master smiths as you can the night before with the question, “which five would you put in?”

"One test is worth 1000 'expert' opinions" Riehle Testing Machines Co.

 
Posted : 27/01/2010 4:36 pm
BrionTomberlin
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Great additions Kevin, and Welcome. The better prepared an applicant is the better their success rate. Thank you for bringing up the extra knives. It is always good to have a backup or two should something happen.

Brion Tomberlin

Anvil Top Custom Knives

ABS Mastersmith

 
Posted : 27/01/2010 9:36 pm
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Thanks for all this info. Quick question: Is there anyway to submit five knives for judging without attending the Blade show?

 
Posted : 04/02/2010 7:00 pm
Lin Rhea
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Stand back boys, while I help Phil with this question! <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//biggrin.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

Phil,

No.

Seriously Phil, currently, that is the only location that you are allowed to submit your test knives.

Lin

Lin Rhea, ABS Mastersmith

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Posted : 04/02/2010 7:57 pm
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Thanks Lin!

I wonder if that is the last word. I just went on the ABS site and found the following statement, although am not sure if it a real one.

"If the applicant cannot attend in person due to special circumstances, the applicant must contact the Chairman of the ABS for permission to have the knives presented for judging."

I of course would love to attend the Blade show, but have two seemingly insurmountable obstacles, one of which is financial. The other is even more daunting in that I am a school teacher and not permitted to take off work at that time of year.

All the best, Phil

 
Posted : 04/02/2010 8:09 pm
Lin Rhea
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Phil,

If you do decide to consult the ABS Chairman, by all means, have some Mastersmiths look your test knives over good first. Get all of your ducks in a row. I wish you the best. Lin

Lin Rhea, ABS Mastersmith

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Posted : 04/02/2010 8:36 pm
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I have discovered that apparently that statement is no longer valid (as of a couple of years ago). Perhaps one of these years the Blade show dates will fall a bit later in June after our school year (where I teach) is over. I haven't seen that to be the case yet, but what the heck, hope springs eternal. Who knows, maybe I would even make worthy knives by then...and have the means to make the trip. You know, when Saturn aligns with Mars, etc!

 
Posted : 04/02/2010 11:50 pm
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Having a Master look at your work before you go for your stamp is a must. I didn't and I never had a sweatier palmed drive than the one to Atlanta that year.

 
Posted : 10/02/2010 11:36 am
Mike Williams
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For you guys; and girls; who are preparing to take your journeyman test the suggestions in the previous post are VERY important. Get a Mastersmith;preferably a somewhat critical one; to critique your work. But, if you are far and away from anyone to look over your knives make good use of this forum. All questions are important at this stage of the game because you have the time to make any corrections needed before the testing looms before you.

I am at your disposal.

Mike

Mike Williams

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Posted : 26/02/2010 11:36 am
BrionTomberlin
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A very generous offer and not one to pass up. Mike has helped me through so much of the JS and MS. Being critical and some rear end chewing too. You could not ask for better. Remeber not asking is asking for problems.

Brion Tomberlin

Brion Tomberlin

Anvil Top Custom Knives

ABS Mastersmith

 
Posted : 26/02/2010 11:05 pm
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Hey Guys, thanks for the advice, I intend to go for my JS stamp this year and plan to get around up here in MT to visit a few MS's when I get a few knives ready. Really apprecaite the help so generously provided by all the Mastersmiths I've had the opportunity to talk to.

Doug

 
Posted : 01/03/2010 1:46 pm
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As stated above get those knives out to as many MS as possible. I'm planning on presenting at Blade this year. I had the good fortune to have 7 MS look over my knives in one weekend. It was a real eye opener for me. I have a lot of work ahead to get ready. But I think I have a much better chance of succeding.

Bruce

 
Posted : 18/03/2010 9:11 pm
Ed Caffrey
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During the time frame that I was down from lung surgery last November, I wrote a couple of articles for my website about the Performance and the Presentation phases of testing. Just so everyone understands...the articles represent my interpretations and thoughts, on each of the Phases, and in no way should be considered "official" information from the ABS. The intent of both articles is to help individuals better understand the nuances of testing for JS or MS. Here are links to those articles:

ABS Performance Testing

ABS Presentation Phase Testing

Ed Caffrey, ABS MS
"The Montana Bladesmith"
www.CaffreyKnives.net

 
Posted : 03/04/2010 10:24 pm
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