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Greetings all~

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Some time ago i was asked by a certain someone to post up any advice i could think of that i might have picked up on going for my JS at this years Blade Show ..

well, finally i have gotten around to writing something down and here i submit it.

i dont have all the answers and i certainly do not claim to be any great font of information, but it might give some kind of general idea for those who are looking to test for their JS stamp.

i must apologise in that i am no writer.

but hopefully you will be able to make sense of it

and if there are any questions, please feel free to email me.

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== JS Testing ==

20 Hints and tips

for testing.

===========

1. Dont Panic!

Heed the words of Douglas Adams and live by this seemingly simple instruction!

Me testing for my JS stamp was something of a last minute decision and so the pressure was on for me to get all my blades done.

Regardless of how fast or slow you make blades, or how long you have given yourself to put your blades together... always remember to take your time and this includes time enough to step away from your projects.

The tests have been passed by many people before you .. and you too can pass them.

There is no hidden tricks, so, relax and just do the best work that you can do.

Just focus on the next thing that needs to be done and dont try to take it in all at once.

Its not a life or death situation here and its within your ability to test and pass.

Many a time I managed to work myself up into a frenzy because I kept seeing a deadline looming.

It was during these times that i managed to either mess up or injure myself, which brings me to:

2. please remember your SAFETY.

This is a no brainer for most of us or should be.

PLEASE wear the correct products to keep you safe.

Initially writing this article I did not mention anything about safety but here I sit with a horribly painful and bloodshot eye after having several slivers of metal pryed from it last night in the emergency room (and yes, i was wearing safety glasses)

I would hate to think what it would be like to have to press on and travel to the blade show with something like this.

Safety equipment might not save you each and every time .. but it sure will a lot of the time.

3. Get Help.

and I dont mean because you are a knifemaker and ergo you obviously 'need help'.

... that goes without saying.

What I mean is that there are more than enough people within the ABS who will be more than happy to help you through the test.

I dont have any MS's or JS's near me but with the wonder of the internet I was able to keep in constant pestering contact with people who were there to help me figure out any issue that came up.

When I had any questions, I could email the MS that was helping me and he would come back and let me know his thoughts etc.

If there was something that words could not express - I took a picture of the blade in question and sent that as well.

There were many more people who offered me help in one form or another.

Even those who were willing for me to post my blades to them so that they could pre-scrutinize them out for me.

Take advantage of this help, you can pay them back with chocolate cookies later.

For the meantime, show them everything you are in doubt about and ask them if they see anything wrong.

They dont need to be a MS, you can ask anyone who has the ability to see anything that might be an issue.

If your untrained neighbour can see the scratch on your blade, then the judges will as well.

No matter where you are, you will be able to find someone who will be willing to help. Im sure of that.

4. Know thy steel

For your performance blade, it doesnt matter so much as to what steel you use, so long as you know how to get the desired results from it.

Dont try to get all super fancy and use steels that you dont know anything about beacuse you heard everyone else was passing when using this steel etc.

If you can get the desired results from a blade forged from 1075, then use 1075.

If you can get the desired results from a blade forged from w2, then use w2.

The test is not what steel you know.. its whether you know how to use a steel to get these results.

5. Testing testing 1, 2, 3

Take the steel that you are most comfortable with and make several testing blades from that steel along with your actual performance blade.

Then - select the best one of that bunch for your performance blade and test your spares.

Dont cut any corners in your tests and dont worry about the expence of the materials.

Go out and buy some rope and buy some wood and try testing the blades you have made.

Put them in the vice and bend the suckers.

It will help you adjust your actual test blade as well as giving you a confidence boost that you know what you are doing.

..... also, it will give you something to take your frustrations out on as you need. <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//smile.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

This is something that I found to be really helpful.

Not only did I have something to remind myself that I knew what I was doing, but I also learnt the techniques I needed to cut rope and not end up snagging half way through the cut.

You dont want to cut astraight across the rope, you want to come down on an angle and once you have tried it a few times, you will see why.

6. Measure twice .. and then measure again.

When making your performance blade, make sure that you stay within the requirements of the dimensions.

If your blade ends up an inch oversized, then its not going to be tested.

No matter how perfect it might be, it still wont be a pass and so just make extra sure that its within the range given.

This will still give you a good and hefty blade to work with.

Also, along similar lines- I know that the tests are scary - but you dont need to build a tank in order to pass them.

Everything is a trade off and if you build something horribly thick and bulky, yes you might survive the 2x4 chop, but you will have issues with the rope and possibly the bend test too.

Its quite surprising what a well heat treated piece of steel will manage to do in ways of performance.

Trust in the steel to do its job and if you know how to get the most out of the steel (hint #4) and you have seen it work time and time again (hint #5) then there is no reason why it wont come about for your actual performance test.

7. Performance Test.

Tie your Testing form to your test blade the night before your test so that you dont forget to bring it with you for the MS to sign.

During the performance test I found it helpful to keep in mind that this is YOUR test.

There is a whole lot of 'nerves' that might build up and there might be a whole mess of people watching you.

(or you might have a whole Blade Show worth of people waiting to hear if you pass it or not)

Whatever the case is- keep in mind that this is Your test and you can take all the time that you need.

Take a moment to calm down before you swing the blade at that nasty piece of rope.

Take your time hacking through the evil 2x4.

Heaven knows, I did.

If you rush, you might end up putting more abuse on your blade than you need to and it might not give you the result you want.

or, you might miss and hack your leg off for all I know... ?

But, by now, you will know that you can already pass the tests at home and so now you just need to show the MS that you can do it.

8. Simplicity

With your presentation blades, the best advice that was given to me was to think that you are making a bunch of blades for a very very picky customer.

A customer has come to you and asked for 5 straight forward blades that are clean and tidy.

This customer is one of those real pains in the behind and you want to get rid of them as quickly and easily as possible.

They arent after fancy.

They dont need a whole lot of bells and whistles - they just want them to be simple and clean and a great example of your work.

So, dont go overboard trying to impress this person.

Just do what you NEED to do and get the blades out.

I was warned time and time again - "keep it clean" "dont go fancy" "tidy .. remember tidy"

You arent here to impress or wow anyone.

Impress people by showing that you can make a blade to simple, clean and tidy specifications.

You have the rest of your career to impress in any other way you might wish.

9. Tricky areas.

Make sure that your blades are as good as you can make them.

Look them over time and time again and see if there are any bits that stand out to you.

You might find that as you make your blades, you will start to doubt them - this might be nerve getting to you.

Make sure that you have actual reason behind your fears.

If needs be, go back and pester your friendly neighbourhood MS and see what they think.

Double, triple and quadruple check the problem areas, but also the simple things too.

Yes, the plunge line of your bevel is a place of issue and you have to make sure that you pay close attention to that area, but its nothing if you leave an obvious scratch on the main part of the blade.

Check the blade in bright light, with the benefit of magnification if possible.

Check to make sure that the guard fits tightly against the ricasso.

Make sure that the lines of the plunge cut are even and match up.

Make sure that everything is symmetical where it is meant to be.

Leave no scratches or pits and for this regard, be advised to stay clear of a forged finished blade.

I was advised to steer clear of wrought iron.

and we all know to avoid using any damascus, even in the fittings, right?

The same goes for mokume gane, as beautiful as it can be - leave it off for these blades.

Dont start playing with acid techniques like mustard finishes etc - you want a nice, clean even finish. Remember - simple.

Make sure that everything is in line. You dont want a handle shooting off 20* from the blade. Keep it all in line and even.

Be aware of any areas where glues have been used. Make sure that they have been cleaned up and arent left in little crevices etc.

Make sure you polish and file work you have put on your blades. If you find that you cant polish the tiny little file cuts you have put in, then you shouldnt have used that pattern in the first place.

All of this is fairly routine stuff and I am sure that you all do it with all your blades before you send them out to their new owners.

Just remember to look at any problem areas and make sure that they are as neat and tidy as you can possibly get them.

Measure them with your calipers and make ultra sure and when its right - stop.

Dont fuss over a blade and end up messing it up due to nerves.

With a headset loupe on and a good light source, you should be able to pick up on anything and correct it before you go to get judged.

Once you have looked under the light source, take it outside and check it again in sunlight.... if its still ok - Great!

10. Be prepared ..

When you have passed your performance test, the MS will have signed your Testing form.

Remember to bring that form to the judging room along with your 5 presentation blades.

DONT, for example, leave it in your hotel room and have to run around trying to get it and get back before the judges close the doors on you.

that would be ... umm .. bad.

Remember to have all 5 of your presentation blades there and remember to have your form there along with your deformed performance blade.

If you forget to bring any of these items on the day, you will not be able to test and will end up feeling a right nit.

11. Wipe your blades down.

If you have put oil, wax or whatever onto your blades for transport, make sure that you wipe alllllll of that stuff off.

The judges will not be wiping your blades down to make sure that they are clean and nice for you.

So, if there is a gob of gunk that is stuck around the ricasso, they will more than likely just look at it as the mess that it is.

So give your blades a good wipe down and make sure they are as presentable as possible on the day.

12. Give yourself enough time for Oops.

ahem ...

Let me say this plainly ... Airlines are gits.

Now that that is out of the way:

As you are travelling to the show, make sure you give yourself enough time to allow for things going wrong.

Give yourself a couple days if needs be.

DONT expect to arrive there 2 hours before the judging doors close and expect all to be well.

You might be delayed in an airport, having missed a connecting flight ..

You might get caught in traffic ..

You might not find a parking spot..

YOU MIGHT HAVE YOUR SUITCASE LOST IN TRANSIT.

who knows ..

I gave myself 2 days extra and I still managed to have issues.

Give yourself as much time as you can.

Also, if you bring along a little travel repair kit, you will be able to do any little repairs that might be needed to patch up your travel weary blades.

Airlines are not careful with your blades - no matter how many large stickers you have on your luggage stating how fragile it is, they will still hurl it over their shoulders. IF you are unlucky enough to find one of your blades messed up in transport, this little travel kit of things might help you to get it in shape for judging.

Think of anything and everything that you might be able to bring with you to do any minor repairs to your blades while sitting in your hotel room.

This kit will be specific to your own blades, what you have put into them and how you work.

I managed to get: into my suitcase

a few clamps,

several grits of wet'n'dry,

a buffing block and cloth,

some light oil,

some super glue,

and a diamond hone.

If the airlines start to wonder why you have all these things in your bag, let them know that you are a craftsman or artist and that you might need to repair your work upon landing.

I would suggest avoiding words like knifemaker or bladesmith as these words seemed to always make the operator a little bit more twitchy.

13. Bubblewrap is your friend.

Just an addition to travelling woes - If you are flying to the show, make sure that you pack your blades IN YOUR CHECKED LUGGAGE.

Im pretty sure no one would be silly enough to try to bring their test blades onto an airplane... right?

When you pack your backs, make sure you put your blades in something secure, with lots of padding.

You dont want people going through your suitcase and being tempted to swipe something.

I wrapped my blades in a large bundle of bubble wrap so that it would literally bounce off if hurled at a wall.

This way you know it is safe from most dings and bump as well as being large enough that if someone tried to swipe it, it would be bulky and obvious.

14. 6 is the new 5.

The judges want 5 blades.

Make at least 6 .. I made 7 and did have to use one of my backup blades as it happens.

Spread out all the blades you have made for this endeavour and then pick the 5 best.

15. Guard your blades.

Before the judges shut the doors on the judging room, there is plenty of time to wander around and see all the blades that people have out on display.

THIS is the time for people to see your blades if they wanted to see them pre-testing.

Resist the urge to take your blades down to the pit the night before the judging to show them to people.

You are really tempting fate if you do go around showing them off

All it takes is someone bumping you or someone accidentally dropping one of your blades and it might leave you short a blade.

You will find that most JS's and MS's will be rather reluctant to grab a hold of your blades before the judges have had their chance to judge them.

When the MS's that I personally knew came and hovered around the table as I was getting my blades ready for judging, I asked if they wanted to take a look at them and I swear that they all took a single step back all in unison - dont take this as an offense, they are dying to pick up your blades, its just no one wants to be the person responsible for you not getting your JS via an accident.

16. Timing is everything.

Make aboslutely sure that you are in that judging room on time.

Set an alarm to get you up in more than enough time.

Set two if needs be.

(make sure that if you are sharing a room, that you inform your room mate of your alarms as early morning squabbles are never good)

The day before the judging, scout out where the room is and know how to get there from your hotel room.

Give yourself enough time to walk from your hotel room to the judging room, including several minutes to be stopped by people who will be wishing you luck.

Its not something you want to cut slim or press your luck on.

Get there with enough time that you can set your blades down and have them ready for viewing.

When you are asked to leave the room so that the judges can start their judging, stay around the judging room. DONT run off to go to the bathroom - make sure you have gone well in advance.

DONT run off to the pub to get something to calm your nerves either.

Sit with your fellow hopefuls and talk about how torturous all this is and what you are going to do to celebrate afterwards. This is part of the experience.

Whatever you do, just make sure that when the judges are ready to talk to you - you are there.

Its only courteous.

17. Keep in mind...

Everyone wants you to pass.

I am sure that the judges do not like to have to tell people that they have not managed to pass this time around ..

This is something to keep in mind.

But, if you dont happen to pass, listen to what is said.

Dont hide your blades away after that, in fact you should show them to more people and try to find out how you can do things differently so that when you come back next time, you DO pass.

Its all a learning experience and if you dont manage to get your stamp the first time over, learn from it and aim for it next time around.

Not passing does not mean that you do not know how to make blades.

It just means that you need to work on some part of what you are doing so that you meet with the very specific requirements of the society.

The more information you can gather on how to meet these requirements, the better prepared you will be for when you come back to try again.

18 -> 20. Good luck! and I personally wish you all the best in your testing!

~Dee Hedges

 
Posted : 25/07/2010 10:23 am
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Dee

Thank you for taking the time to provide your insight and share your experiences during the journey through the ABS Journeyman Smith testing process. Your post is very well done and will provide guidance to Apprentice Smiths who are now working toward the same goal in Atlanta in 2011.

ABS Apprentice Smiths working toward earning their Journeyman Smith rating should read the JS Testing page and all of the links contained on the ABS website.

Dan Cassidy
Journeyman Smith
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Posted : 25/07/2010 11:02 am
BrionTomberlin
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Dee, excellent advice for those aspiring towards their JS and MS. Thank you for posting these guidelines. Congratulations again and very well done. I look forward to seeing you in Atlanta in the future.

Brion

Brion Tomberlin

Anvil Top Custom Knives

ABS Mastersmith

 
Posted : 25/07/2010 1:11 pm
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Good on ya Dee, well written

 
Posted : 25/07/2010 7:31 pm
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Hi Dee,

Thank you! That was an informative, as well as entertaining read. You seem to be quite the avant-garde gal. I just got back from a three day ABS hammer-in in Maine and heard about your plight with the missing luggage/presentation knives. As the saying goes, all's well, that ends well! Sure glad it worked out in the end. I just visited your website, where I enjoyed watching the video clip of your rope cut. Well done!

I hear ya about the time/stress factor. I had hoped to have a go at the Journeyman performance test this weekend, but wasn't able to pull it off. I came from home (Hawaii) with forged blades and the idea I'd heat treat and "play" with them prior to the hammer-in and testing. Alas, I ran into snafu after snafu. There was a snag with the heat treat oven order and it never showed up. Plans to use my friend's quenchent setup didn't quite pan out. Spontaneous unfolding of personal needs and responsibilities stretched and shrank my capacities, etc. I still learned a lot though, and am in no hurry really, thus your encouragement and reminder to have FUN is deeply appreciated.

One thing I'm realizing in my fledgling apprenticeship is, that I have to make choices along the way. I doubt it would qualify as a tip, but for me it is something worth trying to stay mindful of. For instance, this summer I ended up choosing to purchase a heat treat oven. Hopefully it will be in Hawaii upon my return. This purchase was made in lieu of spending 5 days at an ABS handles and guards course. I'm not sure it was the "right" or best decision, but it's what I chose to do. It was an extra difficult choice for me, because I am isolated in Hawaii and have no mentors or peers to work with throughout the year. Giving up hobnobbing with other enthusiasts and the course instructor, Mastersmith Greg Neely, was not easy to do! My path seems riddled with, you can't do, or have, everything, so make a choice. This equipment over that, this steel or that, shop time or family time, etc. Even at this weekends hammer-in I had to make choices. As much as I would have loved to seen Jason Knight's wonderful pattern weld/damascus sessions, I decided to focus on more "remedial" presentations on handles and guards, fit and finish, etc. And, who can resist spending time at the open forges?! Especially with Journeyman and Master smiths around!!! <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//wub.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' />

(I hope you don't mind my running on at the mouth/keyboard. I have a tendency to do such. Like I said, I am usually pretty isolated, so my main point of intersection with knife makers is forums.)

Now you've got me to thinking so much (such as it is), I guess these choices pretty much boil down to budgetary ones. How do I budget my time? How do I budget my finances? And as obscure as it probably sounds, how do I budget my skill-sets? It all boils down to what choices do I make. The skill set ones are pretty obvious and the main ones I tend to work on, as that's what I'm trying to develop and improve. For me, I finally (after two or three years) understand the no damascus in the Journeyman blades mandate. It is not only a mandated not to use it. Now I realize it is a skill set development choice I can make too. I will no longer use my time, at this point, pursuing pattern welding. This aided my decision making on the DVDs I bought at the hammer-in too. The money choices are pretty easy to make. That is, if I don't have it, the choice is made for me, ha ha.

The main category of choice (need for more consciousness) for me at this time, is indeed...time. I heard it said many times, make sure you leave yourself enough time to make your knives, etc. It wasn't until reading your driving the point home yet again though, that I really thought about it. As I sit here I realize there are only 10 months left before the 2011 Blade Show. For me, as a high school teacher, I pretty much lose August and May for personal shop/studio time to the first and last months of school. That means, for me, there are only 8 months left to prepare. If I am fortunate to split all my personal time down the middle with my family, that would leave me four months. Hmmm, sounds like another long shot. I better get BUSY!

Thanks again for your thought stimulating and most enjoyable post.

If you don't mind, can I ask you for more details about what the need was for you to use one of your backup knives?

Congratulations on the fruition of all your hard work.

All the best, Phil

 
Posted : 25/07/2010 10:14 pm
Karl B. Andersen
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Dee, we are indeed lucky to have you in our midst.

My favorite part of your dissertation,

"3. Get Help.

and I don't mean because you are a knife maker and ergo you obviously 'need help'.

... that goes without saying."

Folks, she is a Class Act with a sense of humor that has no limits.

Karl B. Andersen

Journeyman Smith

 
Posted : 26/07/2010 8:03 am
Mike Barton
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Dee,

It's very nice of you to post your tips, regardless of the reason why you posted them. <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//wink.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

I can see them being very helpful when an apprentice, such as myself, reaches that point in their ABS journey.

Thank you for taking the time to post them here, and please take good care of your bloodshot eye.

Mike

 
Posted : 26/07/2010 10:04 am
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Thanks everyone.

i just hope that someone can get something from all that rambling.

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Mr Tomberlin~ thanks again .. it was great being able to meet you .. and thanks for looking in on my testing. <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//smile.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

Karl~ you are so very biased <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//tongue.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> but thank you, my friend.

Mr Dwyer~ believe me, when it comes to the isolationism aspect... i think i can safely say that i know what you are talking about <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//smile.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

and also - let me just point out .. you are not alone in your time constraints ..

yes, you might find it a little difficult because you cant leave for a long period of time to attend the blade show ..

but in the same respect that you have to dedicate such time to your other work ... makers all over the world still have to make money as they are doing their test blade.

this is something you need to plan for .. something that needs a lot of forethought .. you will be making blades that wont be up for direct sale .. because you need them there for the blade show.

i was forced to use one of my backup blades because there was a small mark on one of the blades .. easy enough to get out, mind you.

its just that you have to keep in mind that when i tested i had just gotten my bag from the airport .. unpacked my blades, unwrapped them and then ran to the room to display them for the judges.

i didnt have time to fix anything .. just time to get them down there for judging. <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//smile.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

as for trying to make choices .. sure thing - thats part of the fun <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//smile.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

this isnt such a structured, 9 to 5, clock in/clock out kind of thing.

its a form of expression ... its a challenge between you and the materials to figure out how you can work it .. and work Around it ..

we make choices constant as we build a blade ..

the trick is not to try to take total control of these choices ... or they usually end up trying to bite you in the backside.

<img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//wink.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

anyhow peoples .. thanks again for reading through and thanks for the comments.

<img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//smile.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

 
Posted : 29/07/2010 10:34 pm
BrionTomberlin
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Thank you Dee it was very nice to meet you also. And please call me Brion or Too Tall, Calling me mister is like putting lipstick on a pig, it just don't fit.

Best regards

Brion

Brion Tomberlin

Anvil Top Custom Knives

ABS Mastersmith

 
Posted : 29/07/2010 10:55 pm
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|quoted:

....And please call me Brion or Too Tall, Calling me mister is like putting lipstick on a pig, it just don't fit....

Ha, ha, ha!

I'm with Brion. Just plain Phil is fine for me. How about you Dee, would you prefer to be addressed as Ms or Miss Hedges? Sorry, if I transgressed.

Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts and experiences.

All the best, Phil

 
Posted : 29/07/2010 11:38 pm
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Phil I can relate to your apprenticeship dilemmas. I was planning on testing at next years blade since I am finally done with college but my day job ended up getting in the way <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//sad.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' /> hopefully blade 2012 I will be testing <img src=' http://www.americanbladesmiths.com/ipboard/public/style_emoticons//smile.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

Dee thanks for the tips! I'm sure that they will be useful.

Jon Walker

 
Posted : 30/07/2010 10:45 pm
Dale Huckabee
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Dee,

I wish I had had your recomendations before I took my test. Eveything you've said is right on the mark. As reagards to wiping down your blades and the repair kit, I can attest to that fact. I used some new lubricant on my blades before I left home. The night before the test I got them out to wipe them down and get everything ready. To my horror I had some tiny dark spots on several of my blades. The lubricant was the cause. I was up half the night rubbing out blades. I was so frustrated that I almost backed out on the judging.

By the way congradulations on passing. I tried to stop by and say hello, at Blade, but there was too big a crowd at your table.

Dale

Dale Huckabee

Journeyman Smith

dalehuckabeeknives.weebly.com

 
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